[Tfug] warchalking

[Derbe]

klsmith wrote:

> I personally will never wardrive because I'm not up for the hassle of 
> dealing with a system gone wrong (government).  

Good point.  I can imagine the police knocking on my door saying "This 
guy was in front of your house because you have a backwards C next to a 
regular C with some numbers around it on a sign.  Does that make sense 
sir?" (Cops, with blank stares that Justin spoke of)

Then me trying to explain it as a game.  Not a problem unless it's 4am 
and I just went to bed.

Derbe

> However if I were to and was ever charged for doing no more than using 
> available bandwidth, I would make Nick's argument.
>
> "...attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
> authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
> welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner."
>
> Good argument Nick!
>
> Keith
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> Nicolas Lopez wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 07:32:20AM -0700, Tyler Kilian wrote:
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>>> Bowie:
>>>
>>> We've had our ups and downs, but let me say, for what it's 
>>> worth...you hit the nail right on the head with this one.  In fact, 
>>> you used a nailgun.
>>>
>>> A few things, that I know specifically:
>>>
>>> 1) There are laws governing the use of home-made antennaes
>>>
>>  And there are laws governing how long you can spend in the bathroom at
>> Sizler before they send to cops in to pull you out. Just because 
>> there are
>> laws it doesn't mean they say anything meaningful.
>>
>>> 2) The expectation of privacy exists with most wireless devices of 
>>> this type.
>>>
>>  The expectation of safety exists with idiot leaving their cars unlocked
>> just because they think they live in a "good" neighborhood too. 
>> Neither have
>> much of a connection to reality.
>>
>>> 3) Attempting to procure a lease *is* accessing a network without 
>>> authorization.
>>>
>>  No, attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
>> authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
>> welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner.
>>
>>> 4) If you try and crack WEP, this is circumventing security further 
>>> and has
>>>   all sorts of other "hacking" and encryption laws behind it.
>>>
>>  Well duh, that's why nobody mentioned cracking WEP.
>>
>>> A bad anology to this is scanning.  There is nothing illegal about 
>>> listening to
>>> radio transmissions.  If you try and join in--then it's a crime.
>>>
>>  There's nothing illigal about going door-to-door looking for charity
>> either.
>>
>>> Now, nobody is going to go to the pen for 20 years for driving 
>>> around and being a wanker, but if you did it to the wrong company or 
>>> person, they could indeed make your life a bit more complicated than 
>>> you had anticipated.
>>>
>>  That is the case regardless of any laws or "moral" positions.
>>
>>  ..I know, I know. Don't feed the trolls....
>>
>>  - Nick Lopez
>>    kimo_sabe@atdot.org
>> --
>> It is necessary for us to learn from others' mistakes.
>> You will not live long enough to make them all yourself. -Rickover
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