[Tfug] warchalking

[klsmith]

I personally will never wardrive because I'm not up for the hassle of 
dealing with a system gone wrong (government).  However if I were to and 
was ever charged for doing no more than using available bandwidth, I 
would make Nick's argument.

"...attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner."

Good argument Nick!

Keith





Nicolas Lopez wrote:

>On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 07:32:20AM -0700, Tyler Kilian wrote:
>
>>Bowie:
>>
>>We've had our ups and downs, but let me say, for what it's worth...you hit 
>>the nail right on the head with this one.  In fact, you used a nailgun.
>>
>>A few things, that I know specifically:
>>
>>1) There are laws governing the use of home-made antennaes
>>
>  And there are laws governing how long you can spend in the bathroom at
>Sizler before they send to cops in to pull you out. Just because there are
>laws it doesn't mean they say anything meaningful.
>
>>2) The expectation of privacy exists with most wireless devices of this 
>>type.
>>
>  The expectation of safety exists with idiot leaving their cars unlocked
>just because they think they live in a "good" neighborhood too. Neither have
>much of a connection to reality. 
>
>>3) Attempting to procure a lease *is* accessing a network without 
>>authorization.
>>
>  No, attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
>authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
>welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner.
>
>>4) If you try and crack WEP, this is circumventing security further and has
>>   all sorts of other "hacking" and encryption laws behind it.
>>
>  Well duh, that's why nobody mentioned cracking WEP. 
>
>>A bad anology to this is scanning.  There is nothing illegal about 
>>listening to
>>radio transmissions.  If you try and join in--then it's a crime.
>>
>  There's nothing illigal about going door-to-door looking for charity
>either.
>
>>Now, nobody is going to go to the pen for 20 years for driving around and 
>>being a wanker, but if you did it to the wrong company or person, they 
>>could indeed make your life a bit more complicated than you had anticipated.
>>
>  That is the case regardless of any laws or "moral" positions.
>
>  ..I know, I know. Don't feed the trolls....
>
>  - Nick Lopez
>    kimo_sabe@atdot.org
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