[Tfug] warchalking
Derbe
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Sat Jun 29 11:40:03 2002
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As far I can tell, my TOS says that I can't sell access to others. It doesn't
mention anything about giving it away for free. I'm sure it will have some
provision in the future for sharing.<br>
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My address? <br>
C'mon, that would take all the fun out of the hunt.<br>
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johngalt wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">If I chalk my own residence, is that okay?
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<pre wrap=""><!---->It's ok wih me. But, it might not be ok with your bandwidth supplier
if you read their TOS.
If you are feeling that genrerous, what's your address, or what's the
nearest cross street to your place?
Derbe wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I haven't read any replies from anyone that actually says that they have
wireless setup. I have wireless at my house and I make the choice to
share or not to share based on what I'm doing at any particular time.
If I don't want to share, I turn on WEP. When I'm gone for a period of
time I turn it off, to share it. It doesn't matter to me if someone
uses it. I don't consider it stealing as it will still be there when I
get home. If I got billed per kilobyte, that would be a different
story. So, I don't know how I would let anyone know that it's okay to
use my wireless unless I just turn off WEP.
If I chalk my own residence, is that okay?
Derbe
Tyler Kilian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">At 09:25 AM 6/28/02 -0700, Nicolas Lopez wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 07:32:20AM -0700, Tyler Kilian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Bowie:
We've had our ups and downs, but let me say, for what it's
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<pre wrap="">worth...you hit
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<pre wrap="">the nail right on the head with this one. In fact, you used a
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<pre wrap="">nailgun.
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<pre wrap="">A few things, that I know specifically:
1) There are laws governing the use of home-made antennaes
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<pre wrap=""> And there are laws governing how long you can spend in the bathroom at
Sizler before they send to cops in to pull you out. Just because
there are
laws it doesn't mean they say anything meaningful.
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Sure, it's like Sizzler. Just like at Sizzler, if someone pushes the
issue, you can be in trouble. The whole point of the laws is not what
happns if nobody cares to prosecute or investigate, the point is what
happens if someone finds out and decides to press that issue.
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<pre wrap="">2) The expectation of privacy exists with most wireless devices of this
type.
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<pre wrap=""> The expectation of safety exists with idiot leaving their cars unlocked
just because they think they live in a "good" neighborhood too.
Neither have
much of a connection to reality.
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That's a lot like blaming the victim of a violent crime. "Well, he was
in a bad area of town after dark, it's his fault." True, you need to
take precuations, but that doesn't mean that someone breaking a law is
exempted from responsibility. If you leave your car open and someone
steals your linux sticker, that is theft. Period.
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<pre wrap="">3) Attempting to procure a lease *is* accessing a network without
authorization.
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<pre wrap=""> No, attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner.
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No, because you are tying up bandwidth, processor cycles, and then
potentially an IP. If you came into my office without permission and
plugged into a switch and tried to gain an IP address, that would be
accessing my network without permission, as well as potential
tresspass, etc. Just because it is wireless and not physically secure
does not mean that the same rules regarding access do not apply.
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<pre wrap="">4) If you try and crack WEP, this is circumventing security further
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<pre wrap="">and has
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<pre wrap=""> all sorts of other "hacking" and encryption laws behind it.\
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<pre wrap=""> Well duh, that's why nobody mentioned cracking WEP.
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Just a potential item of contention, that's all.
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<pre wrap="">A bad anology to this is scanning. There is nothing illegal about
listening to
radio transmissions. If you try and join in--then it's a crime.
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<pre wrap=""> There's nothing illigal about going door-to-door looking for charity
either.
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Unless a no-trespassing sign is posted. You can't ignore the intent
either.
Anyway, you'll do what you want and try to justify the non-criminal
element of it. If you war drive the wrong place, however, don't be
too surprised if the response you get is "tell it to the judge."
# Tyler Kilian, CCNP
# Technology Director, Dakota Communications
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