[Tfug] ubuntu (troll?)

Tue Apr 15 10:20:07 MST 2008

Yes I would agree with the "don't feed the troll" post - are you seriously asking for help or are you just trolling this list? 

Techies "turn wrenches" and get stuff working... there is a level of "polish" lacking from Linux right now, but there are projects underway that are trying to address that situation (openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc.) 

Eric 
http://nixwizard.net 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: sitkaa at email.arizona.edu 
To: tfug at tfug.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:49:49 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) 
Subject: Re: [Tfug] ubuntu 

I am the itinerate newbie regards to linux. I have been interested in it for 
over a decade, but haven't hadn't loaded it on my main computer until just 
recently, primarily because of the because of the difficulty involved in doing 
a dual boot, but also due to a lack of anyone to hold my hand to degree 
neccessary to get past first base. I can hear the chorus already saying 
that it 
is so much easier now with this application and that, but to me it is still 
written in Greek for all I know. 

I don't know how to use linux, I don't know what applications are 
available for 
it, and frankly, after a decade of watching this whole thing, I have gotten 
pretty disgusted with it. The promise of linux is unfulfilled. I don't like 
Microsoft, but at least I can understand it. 

You want to attract more than just techies to linux? Make it is 
sooooooo freakin 
simple I can understand it. I don't care one iota how little functionality it 
has, I really only wanna push one button, and then have the damn thing 
work. If 
it can't do that, it is too complicated. 

Because such simplicity is abhorent to many techies, I really doubt linux is 
going anywhere. It is a lost cause. I suppose I will be sticking with the 
spyware, malware, constant updates, NSA backdoors, and anticompetitive busines 
practices of Microsoft as long as I live, cause you people can't grasp 
just how 
stupid and lazy I am. 

Quoting Earl <earljviolet at juno.com>: 

> I used virtual box with 98 for a while and it worked OK for the 
> limited testing I did. I finally deleted it because all I did was 
> update spyware and virus programs and run them. 
> 
> Earl 
> 
> "God made man, Sam Colt made men equal." 
> "The fates guide him who will, him who won't they drag" Spengler 
> "I want to change the world but they won't give me the source code" 
> Unknown Linux Geek 
> 
> -- Malcolm Schmerl <mjs355 at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Jim March wrote: 
>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jeffry Johnston <tfug at kidsquid.com 
>> <mailto:tfug at kidsquid.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> > He told the other that it wasn't as nice as windows, but it 
>> worked pretty good. 
>> 
>> Probably running Gnome... KDE is nicer than windows ;) 
>> 
>> Jeff 
>> 
>> 
>> The real indicator as to whether or not somebody is going to jump 
>> cleanly into Ubuntu or any other newbie-friendly distro is whether or 
>> not they have somebody experienced to help with initial tuning and 
>> setup. Multimedia support for starters, DVD playback, MP3 codec, all 
>> that happy $hit :). 
>> 
>> Gnome v. KDE means a lot less in my opinion. 
>> 
>> For REAL success, get VirtualBox running with an XP VM for those few 
>> programs or times we still need Windows. A LOT of users will have at 
>> least one such app, in my case the ones I need most involve playing 
>> with election databases. 
>> 
>> This works with surprisingly little horsepower. I'm pulling it off 
>> with a single-core Celeron 1.6 lappy, lowly Intel945 video and 1.5gigs 
>> RAM. And it'll work in a lot less than that. 
>> 
>> Oddity on that score: 
>> 
>> I rented a video recently that flat wouldn't play under Ubuntu. I 
>> tuned and tweaked and tried VLC player, updated LIBDVDCSS, etc. No 
>> joy. If anyone cares, it was the video-only final conclusion to 
>> Stargate SG1 :). Finally I said "screw it", loaded XP, downloaded VLC 
>> for that and watched my friggin' video :). 
>> 
>> But here's the kicker for a newbie: 
>> 
>> You explain that when they're on the 'net in Ubuntu, 
>> EMail/web/whatever, they're basically immune from 
>> viruses/spyware/crapware. 
>> 
>> THAT they get. Bigtime. The number of newbies getting hammered by 
>> malware is just crazy...that is BY FAR the number one reason a 
>> non-techie will consider Linux. 
>> 
>> You also have to explain that running XP or whatever as a VM task is 
>> much safer than dual-boot because Linux shields Windows. You lose 3D 
>> video support and gaming, but short of that it works. 
>> 
>> Jim 
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> Jim, 
> The problem with Windows, as I see it, besides the mal-ware problem, is 
> that you get caught in a constant cycle of hardware and software 
> upgrades. We use an old copy of Quickbooks, which is perfectly adequate 
> for our business and which ran perfectly well on Windows 98, but has 
> problems on XP and will cost $200 to upgrade. I use an old machine (AMD 
> 750) which works just fine with Ubuntu. Will Virtualbox work with 
> Windows 98 or ME? This really sounds like a way for me to go. Thanks for 
> the idea, Malcolm 
> 
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