[Tfug] warchalking

[Derbe]

I haven't read any replies from anyone that actually says that they have 
wireless setup.  I have wireless at my house and I make the choice to 
share or not to share based on what I'm doing at any particular time. 
 If I don't want to share, I turn on WEP.  When I'm gone for a period of 
time I turn it off, to share it.  It doesn't matter to me if someone 
uses it.  I don't consider it stealing as it will still be there when I 
get home.  If I got billed per kilobyte, that would be a different 
story.  So, I don't know how I would let anyone know that it's okay to 
use my wireless unless I just turn off WEP.

If I chalk my own residence, is that okay?

Derbe
Tyler Kilian wrote:

> At 09:25 AM 6/28/02 -0700, Nicolas Lopez wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2002 at 07:32:20AM -0700, Tyler Kilian wrote:
>> > Bowie:
>> >
>> > We've had our ups and downs, but let me say, for what it's 
>> worth...you hit
>> > the nail right on the head with this one.  In fact, you used a 
>> nailgun.
>> >
>> > A few things, that I know specifically:
>> >
>> > 1) There are laws governing the use of home-made antennaes
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>>   And there are laws governing how long you can spend in the bathroom at
>> Sizler before they send to cops in to pull you out. Just because 
>> there are
>> laws it doesn't mean they say anything meaningful.
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> Sure, it's like Sizzler.  Just like at Sizzler, if someone pushes the 
> issue, you can be in trouble.  The whole point of the laws is not what 
> happns if nobody cares to prosecute or investigate, the point is what 
> happens if someone finds out and decides to press that issue.
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>
>> > 2) The expectation of privacy exists with most wireless devices of this
>> > type.
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>>   The expectation of safety exists with idiot leaving their cars unlocked
>> just because they think they live in a "good" neighborhood too. 
>> Neither have
>> much of a connection to reality.
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>
>
> That's a lot like blaming the victim of a violent crime. "Well, he was 
> in a bad area of town after dark, it's his fault."  True, you need to 
> take precuations, but that doesn't mean that someone breaking a law is 
> exempted from responsibility.  If you leave your car open and someone 
> steals your linux sticker, that is theft.  Period.
>
>
>
>> > 3) Attempting to procure a lease *is* accessing a network without
>> > authorization.
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>>   No, attempting to procure a lease, by definition, is ASKING for
>> authorization to access the network. DHCP OFFER is analogous to you
>> welcoming a hobo knocking at your door in for dinner.
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>
>
> No, because you are tying up bandwidth, processor cycles, and then 
> potentially an IP.  If you came into my office without permission and 
> plugged into a switch and tried to gain an IP address, that would be 
> accessing my network without permission, as well as potential 
> tresspass, etc.  Just because it is wireless and not physically secure 
> does not mean that the same rules regarding access do not apply.
>
>
>> > 4) If you try and crack WEP, this is circumventing security further 
>> and has
>> >    all sorts of other "hacking" and encryption laws behind it.\
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>>   Well duh, that's why nobody mentioned cracking WEP.
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> Just a potential item of contention, that's all.
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>> > A bad anology to this is scanning.  There is nothing illegal about
>> > listening to
>> > radio transmissions.  If you try and join in--then it's a crime.
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>>   There's nothing illigal about going door-to-door looking for charity
>> either.
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> Unless a no-trespassing sign is posted.  You can't ignore the intent 
> either.
>
>
> Anyway, you'll do what you want and try to justify the non-criminal 
> element of it.  If you war drive the wrong place, however, don't be 
> too surprised if the response you get is "tell it to the judge."
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> # Tyler Kilian, CCNP
> # Technology Director, Dakota Communications
> # TKilian@DakotaCom.NET | 520.745.3900 x 100
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