[Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....

Wed Jun 16 10:10:01 MST 2010

No, I think it is you who missed the boat. I don't care what hell means 
to you Christians, nor do I care what the Bible says. What I do care 
about is what it means to me, and you have no right to shove your 
meaning down my throat. Malcolm

On 06/15/2010 08:25 PM, keith smith wrote:
>
> I think you missed the boat.  Hell to us Christians is a real place 
> where those who do not have a relationship with Jesus Christ go for 
> eternity.
>
> It is a place absent God.  To us it is real.
>
> I'm glad the Christians are coming out of the closet and speaking up.
>
> As for the 1st Amedment it was to protect the people.  This Country 
> was fashioned with Christian values and prospered because of those 
> Christian values.  As you see our Country decline rapidly you can be 
> assured it is because we have turned from God so he has turned from us.
>
> And yes you are right.  While the polls say upwards of 80% of America 
> claims to be Christian, that is not true.  It is more like 3 to 5 
> percent.
>
> I believe you believe that "Christian Conservatism is, in my view, 
> extremism", most people do in my opinion.
>
> Where is that line of right and wrong?  My non-believing adopted 
> father took me to an adult book store when I was 14.  Was that OK?
>
> Where is that line?  Is it okay to cheat on your taxes?  What about 
> your wife? Maybe stealing something of low value is okay, but breaking 
> into your house is not.
>
> Where is that line?  What if I like oil in my water?  What if I think 
> it is Ok that there is lots of oil in the gulf on Mexico?  Is it Okay 
> then?
>
> When man does what is right in the eyes of man then things become like 
> they are today - chaotic.  We have 600 clowns in Washington that are 
> fleecing America.  Is that OK?
>
> I ask what do you believe in?  Is it a value system that I can look at 
> and ponder or is it just made up?  Do you make it up as you go?  
> Situational ethics?
>
> Some asked politely that the subject line be PG-13 from 1960.  Someone 
> else made a comment about how easily people throw around the word 
> hell. And I don't think it matters whether you capitalize it or not.
>
> Curious?  Anyone curious about Hell or hell can contact me off list 
> and I'll share with you  what the Bible says.  There is a difference 
> between the Hell of the Bible and a curse word.  This was the point - 
> there is a difference between a place known as Hell and a word that is 
> thrown around and used as a curse word.
>
> In the mean time lets understand that there are kids and others on 
> this list that would like you to not use curse words in your subject 
> line. Also some are at work and would appreciate you give them a heads 
> up if your email contains anything not appropriate for work.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Tue, 6/15/10, Malcolm Schmerl /<mjs355 at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Malcolm Schmerl <mjs355 at comcast.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Tfug] Another CC* weighs in....
>     To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
>     Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 5:16 PM
>
>     First of all, note that the word 'hell' was never capitalized and
>     never used in a religious context.
>
>     Secondly, children are not stupid. Hiding things from them only
>     serves to stimulate their curiosity. Eventually they will seek to
>     satisfy that curiosity and do so without parental guidance. Good
>     parenting involves guiding children into life, not censoring it
>     for them.
>
>     Christian Conservatism is, in my view, extremism. It is also a
>     minority view that actively seeks to impose its standards on the
>     rest of us. I used to quietly accept this, but as I age, I've
>     realized that somebody needs to speak out against this tyranny of
>     the minority. Is it not stated in the Constitution that we have a
>     right to freedom of religion? As I see it, that also means
>     'freedom from religion.'
>     This sort of thinking is responsible for many of the world's ills
>     from Nazi Germany to present day Iran to the Taliban. In all
>     cases, a self-righteous minority, insisting that their way is the
>     only way, imposes its will on the entire population. I was born
>     Jewish and throughout my life I've had to let a lot of thoughtless
>     comments go, but at no time did I ever demand that anyone tiptoe
>     around me. If you object to the word 'hell' so vehemently, then
>     who knows what you'd object to? Don't ask me to tiptoe around you;
>     either suck it up or avoid me. I will respect anyone's right to
>     believe what ever they want just as long as they allow me to live
>     by my own standards.
>
>     Are there not much more important transgressions to be thinking
>     about? For example, the rape of the Gulf of Mexico by oil drillers
>     is an immorality of far greater importance. Are you hiding this
>     from your children, too? Are you concerned about what kind of
>     world they'll inherit?
>
>     On 06/15/2010 09:44 AM, Paul Steinbach wrote:
>     > At the risk of getting flamed (ironic in a discussion of hell)...
>     >
>     > Personally I am bothered by the use of the word hell treated so
>     casually because it excludes me as a Christian conservative.  The
>     word hell to me is not funny.  The word damn is not funny to me. 
>     Unnecessary use of these are more serious and more offensive to me
>     than the f-bomb.  Treating these words casually trivializes my
>     beliefs in this forum in the same way that a church elder telling
>     me I can't be a good Christian because I am not friendly enough
>     trivializes my faith at church.  It emphasizes differences.
>     >
>     > I am a geek.  I have much in common with the posters here -
>     often  more than the people at church.  Some of you know me from
>     WorldCare or SimplyBits.  I am have friends across the
>     philosophical spectrum.  I enjoy the posts even if I lurk more
>     than I post.  I just ask that you remember us minority members
>     when you post the header.  Some of us have beliefs that are a
>     subgenus of geek.  And we promise not to post the joke about the
>     busload of atheists going over a cliff...
>     >
>
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