[Tfug] tfug Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13
Paul Steinbach
MIS at samlevitz.com
Tue Mar 10 17:51:11 MST 2009
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> 1. Orinoco silver or gold? (Paul Scott)
> 2. Re: Orinoco silver or gold? (Jeff Breadner)
> 3. Re: Orinoco silver or gold? (Paul Scott)
> 4. Re: Orinoco silver or gold? (Jeff Breadner)
> 5. Re: OT: Windows "Tracking Software" (Bexley Hall)
> 6. Re: WorldCare suggestions? (Bexley Hall)
> 7. Re: WorldCare suggestions? (Jim Secan)
> 8. Re: WorldCare suggestions? (Bexley Hall)
> 9. Re: WorldCare suggestions? (Tom Rini)
> 10. Re: WorldCare suggestions? (Matt Jacob)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:26:30 -0700
> From: Paul Scott <waterhorse at ultrasw.com>
> Subject: [Tfug] Orinoco silver or gold?
> To: TFUG <tfug at tfug.org>
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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have an Orinoco Silver or Gold or any other Prism/Prism2
> card they don't need?
>
> It's to be used on a Mac Pismo with OSX and wirelessdriver from Sourceforge.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Scott
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:32:33 -0700
> From: Jeff Breadner <jeff at breadner.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Orinoco silver or gold?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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> I think I have a silver PCMCIA one, I'll have to dig it up. Is PCMCIA OK?
>
> Paul Scott wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have an Orinoco Silver or Gold or any other Prism/Prism2
>> card they don't need?
>>
>> It's to be used on a Mac Pismo with OSX and wirelessdriver from
>> Sourceforge.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul Scott
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:43:18 -0700
> From: Paul Scott <waterhorse at ultrasw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Orinoco silver or gold?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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> Jeff Breadner wrote:
>
>> I think I have a silver PCMCIA one, I'll have to dig it up. Is PCMCIA
>> OK?
>>
>
> As opposed to ... ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an Orinoco Silver or Gold or any other Prism/Prism2
>>> card they don't need?
>>>
>>> It's to be used on a Mac Pismo with OSX and wirelessdriver from
>>> Sourceforge.
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:52:30 -0700
> From: Jeff Breadner <jeff at breadner.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Orinoco silver or gold?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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> Paul Scott wrote:
>
>> Jeff Breadner wrote:
>>
>>> I think I have a silver PCMCIA one, I'll have to dig it up. Is
>>> PCMCIA OK?
>>>
>> As opposed to ... ?
>>
>>
>>
> I've got two PCI wireless network cards, and I'm not familiar enough
> with the Orinoco products to know if there was a PCI version.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] OT: Windows "Tracking Software"
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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>
> Hi, Andrew,
>
>
>>>> If I suspected my PC had something like that then I would
>>>> get the free Process Explorer and examine all the processes.
>>>> Kill any I didn't want running.
>>>>
>>> And what do you do if you aren't running as Administrator
>>> (i.e., because the machine is maintained/provided by your
>>> *employer*)?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also I would investigate safe mode to see if that stopped
>>>> the tracking behaviour.
>>>>
>>> But, you don't even know (yet) that "tracking" is taking
>>> place! <grin> I.e., that is the first part of my
>>> question: "detect and defeat"
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would run msconfig and stop any services and processes
>>>> from running at startup that I didn't recognize.
>>>>
>>> Again, that only works if you have root privileges.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Worst case I would reinstall windows.
>>>>
>>> Your boss would undoubtedly have something to say if you
>>> had done this. Also, many newer machines can be configured
>>> so that booting off a CD/DVD is disallowed.
>>>
>>> You're assumingthis is *your* machine and that someone has
>>> slipped something onto it surreptitiously. What if it is
>>> *my* machine that *you* use 8 hours a day (on my behalf)?
>>>
>> Why didn't you tell us in the first place that no
>> administrator access is available? It's a waste of
>> everyone's time to try and help you if you don't
>> give us all the requirements. I'm guessing you knew that
>> no administrator access was a requirement for your problem
>> when you first posted. Sigh... :(
>>
>
> I haven't said whether it is or isn't. I am merely explaining
> how "tracking" software differs from *spyware* (which seemed
> to be your initial assumption in regards to my post).
>
> Note that in the above scenario (employer installs tracking
> software; *probably* not giving you Administrator privileges),
> you couldn't/wouldn't *want* to do many of the things that you
> suggested as they would all raise a red flag to whomever was
> monitoring your activities.
>
> Note that the appeal of the solution I seek is that you don't
> tip your hand to the person doing the monitoring -- he/she
> still thinks you are unaware of these activities. Once he/she
> *knows* that you know what is going on, they will undoubtedly
> take steps to tighten their security, etc.
>
> Now that I have access to my address book (back in town),
> I sent this query to a few friends who work for folks who
> do this sort of thing. Apparently, it is relatively
> easy to detect *if* you are being monitored -- using
> unobtrusive techniques (so you don't tip your hand).
>
> And, depending on how "good" the IT department is at
> installing and *actively* monitoring these tools, you
> can often disable them (even if only temporarily).
>
> Of course, YMMV as per the tool being used and the
> cleverness of the folks applying it.
>
> I have a few packages coming in the mail. I'll play
> with them and see what I get for first-hand experience
> hacking them...
>
>> Andy
>>
>> -- Andy
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:37:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] WorldCare suggestions?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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> Hi, Jeff,
>
>
>> Take the good with the bad.
>>
>
> Exactly. This is true of all "retail" establishments.
> E.g., I *never* bought anything from Radio Shack while
> growing up. *But*, always dropped in for a free *battery*
> (despie the fact that they weren't of very good quality)
>
>
>> From WC you can get computer peripherals
>> such as mice, keyboards, cables, etc for cheap (where
>> else can you buy a mouse for $1?).
>>
>
> You can buy mice and many cables (hit and miss) from UofA
> auction for $1.
>
>
>> Their computers are ridiculously overpriced. So,
>>
>
> Agreed! Silly to spend $200+ on a "used" computer when
> you can buy "new" for a bit more (and get a warranty, etc.)
>
> But, they're trying to balance the effort invested per
> dollar recovered vs. effort *remaining* to accomplish their
> stated goals. I.e., time spent preparing a machine for
> "sale" is time that is NOT spent preparing machines to
> be given away! So, you want to maximize the amount of
> money you receive per machine so you can minimize the number
> of machines that you ned to prepare (quite different
> business model than a *real* business)
>
>
>> just don't buy the computer there :) But, I dunno if
>> you've looked at thrift stores lately. It's hard to even
>> find a used computer for sale anymore.
>>
>
> I think most folks discard/recycle old electronics nowadays.
> Between the city's recycling effort, worldcare's and other
> groups, most of this stuff bypasses the resale market
> entirely. (and, most people think their "old computer"
> is broken, too slow, etc. so rarely think of it as
> having value)
>
>
>> Anyhow, I've had success with asking Don to keep an eye
>> out for a part. You might try that.
>>
>> BTW, anyone know why that school was sold?
>>
>
> The school wasn't "sold". The board of ed (TUSD?) still
> holds the title. They lease it to WorldCare.
>
> The building is located directly in DM's flight path
> so there was fear of a plane coming down (not likely)
> on the school. The more practical reason is you
> can't *hear* when those A10's creep overhead!!
> (it's amazing that they can fly that slow!)
>
> --don
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:00:23 -0700
> From: Jim Secan <jim at nwra.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] WorldCare suggestions?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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>> The building is located directly in DM's flight path
>> so there was fear of a plane coming down (not likely)
>> on the school. The more practical reason is you
>> can't *hear* when those A10's creep overhead!!
>> (it's amazing that they can fly that slow!)
>>
>> --don
>>
>
> A bit OT, but (1) the A10 was designed to fly low-and-slow (they're
> tank killers, designed to linger over the European battlefield and
> duke it out with the Evil Empire's tanks), and (2) if you think the
> A10 is loud, wait until they start getting more nextgen aircraft at DM.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] WorldCare suggestions?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <455715.37807.qm at web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hi, Jim,
>
>
>>> The building is located directly in DM's flight path
>>> so there was fear of a plane coming down (not likely)
>>> on the school. The more practical reason is you
>>> can't *hear* when those A10's creep overhead!!
>>> (it's amazing that they can fly that slow!)
>>>
>> A bit OT, but (1) the A10 was designed to fly low-and-slow
>> (they're tank killers, designed to linger over the
>> European battlefield and duke it out with the Evil
>>
>
> Yes, I'm told that the GAU8 can *drop* the aircraft
> out of the sky if you lean on the trigger too long (?) :-/
>
>
>> Empire's tanks), and (2) if you think the A10 is loud,
>> wait until they start getting more nextgen aircraft at DM.
>>
>
> I think most of the noise is related to just how *low*
> they are flying as they pass over the school. It makes
> you think twice about what it must be like to be a
> "civilian" in a place like Iraq! :< At least at WC
> you are reasonably sure they *won't* be firing! :>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:19:07 -0700
> From: Tom Rini <trini at kernel.crashing.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] WorldCare suggestions?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <20090310231907.GX26343 at smtp.west.cox.net>
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>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 04:00:23PM -0700, Jim Secan wrote:
>
>>> The building is located directly in DM's flight path
>>> so there was fear of a plane coming down (not likely)
>>> on the school. The more practical reason is you
>>> can't *hear* when those A10's creep overhead!!
>>> (it's amazing that they can fly that slow!)
>>>
>>> --don
>>>
>> A bit OT, but (1) the A10 was designed to fly low-and-slow (they're tank
>> killers, designed to linger over the European battlefield and duke it out
>> with the Evil Empire's tanks), and (2) if you think the A10 is loud, wait
>> until they start getting more nextgen aircraft at DM.
>>
>
> Getting further OT, anyone know what was going on this weekend? I kept
> seeing formations of F16/F15/F4/A10 and some WW2-era plane (and maybe a
> Korea era one too) ?
>
>
I think that about this time they practice for the real airshows later
this spring.
--
Paul Steinbach
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Sam Levitz Furniture
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