[Tfug] [SPAM] World Oil Production figures up to the end of 2007

Tue Sep 16 08:20:16 MST 2008

Mah no one here talk really about software. Then I want to say something
too:
- United States uses two times to to two times and a half, at parity of
population,  the amount of oil used from the other industrialized country:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/index.cfm
1 United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> 1 20,588 3,273
2 China <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China> 7,274 1,157 3
Japan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan>
2 5,222 830 4 Russia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia> 1 3,103 493 5
Germany <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany> 2 2,630 418 6
India<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>
2 2,534 403 7 Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> 2,218 353 8
Brazil <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil> 2,183 347 9 South
Korea<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea>
2 2,157 343 10 Saudi Arabia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia> (
OPEC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC>) 2,068 329 11
Mexico<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico>
1 2,030 323 12 France <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France> 2 1,972
314 13 United
Kingdom <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> 1 1,816 289 14
Italy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy>
2 1,709 272 15 Iran <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran>
(OPEC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC>
) 1,627 259
Consider Italy, that has more car for inhabitant than the US. (Italy is 1/5
of US population, but use 1/12 of of oil used in the US).  The reason? The
huge cars used in the US, totally inefficient, with the engine of the same
size of a Ferrari but with the 10% of power. Some time ago, the US
government created a law for ban engines that use too much oil: the result
was, that instead of make some research for a better engine, the American
car company bypassed the law promoting SUV, that weren't restricted by the
same law, that's why they're now an American model.
All came from one era when the US was full of oil; but now only 33% of
American consumption is the American oil. And this reserve will end in 10
years. Means that the US will soon be totally dependent from oil import as
country like Italy or Japan, but without be as energetically efficient as
them. Good luck!

The oil era is anyway ended already, The main reserves of oil are now Arabia
Saudita, Iran and Iraq, where the US government thought properly to occupy
with the excuse of terrorism, but for have oil in the future. (You'll see,
the next will be Iran)
But there is main quantity of non conventional oil, that is practically not
oil, but can be. Need a lot of processing to extract, create a huge amount
of pollution for do it, but who care? Is still good for fill in your car.
And, there is oil from crop. Yes is an alternative! Brazil is practically
independent from oil! but this is the main responsible of the increases of
food prices, because is used for make oil and not for feed people. Then with
what you put in your car you can feed one family for one week...
But the increase of food price is also because more and more people eat meat
in the development world, (as China). Grow animals for food needs 20 times
the amount of crop that can be used for feed yourself, and that is another
field where the Americans has another record... but that's another history
(don't came answering what you can eat if you don't eat meat, go to ask to
the poor world that can't even afford to eat meat what they eat)

sorry for the interruption...

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Ronald Sutherland <
ronald.sutherland at gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be interesting to know a ratio of people that can grow food
> in there back yards if needed. It's not an easy thing to do, growing
> food is a complex skill, and bad things happen from pest and ilk.
> Before oil most people had experience growing some of their food
> requirements, but now its very uncommon. From what I see/read, we use
> oil as 1/3 for food (fertilizer/pesticide/land work), 1/3 transport,
> and 1/3 plastics, so growing our own food is the single biggest
> savings of oil that is possible. The question as I see it is can a
> home garden be done without fertilizer, pesticide, and rototiller?
> Home garden transport is nil, and no need for plastic wrappers that
> fill the dumps and waste oil. The idea that oil will become
> increasingly less available is freighting to anyone that has not
> composted their mind with the most effective mulching system ever
> devised, TV (hehe I like learning new words, and mixing them with old
> ideas). Anyway, I'm finding the Ideas in Permaculture very infectious,
> and basically I think the best preparation for those tipping points is
> not hoarding, but local food production. Hoarding is just like
> painting a big red bulls eye on your house, and sharing or trade is
> not likely, on the other hand growing food is much less of a treasure
> chest, and over production can be traded or given away, sound
> familiar, thus increasing your value in the community. Finally, if
> there was a New World Order ran by some organized group, an infectious
> mind virus going around, how in the hell will they exercise control of
> communities that can take care of its self.
>
> I guess my concern is if, so many are caught with their pants down
> when we hit a tipping point its going to be to late, and all that is
> needed is a fair percentage say 30 percent doing home gardening at the
> tipping event. If we can just get past the tipping event then in terms
> of surviving, we are home free, cause everyone will dig in. At least
> that's what I'm starting to think.
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Steve Franks <stevefranks at ieee.org>
> wrote:
> > Interesting to compare this thread to the freemason thread.  Here I
> > see people actually attempting to communicate, discuss, etc...
> >
> > Quite agree with the oil=food observation.  The question now is if we
> > can still make fertilizer & pesticide out of tar sands.  I for one am
> > not so worried about the bunny rabbits, baby seals, and polar bears,
> > but more my children.  Why have them if you're playing roulette with
> > their ability to feed themselves?  The cockroaches don't need
> > alternative energy.  We need FOSS food ;)
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
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