[Tfug] pirates of silicon valley

Thu Sep 28 13:08:22 MST 2006

I've seen some motivated people do not as good as some less motivated people.  I think motivation does play a roll, but not as much as one might think.

William Stott <wstott at ventanamed.com> wrote: In one word: MOTIVATION.

On 9/28/06 11:43 AM, "keith smith"  wrote:

> I'm not interested in creating an O/S.
> 
> Just wonder how someone can become the riches guy in the world while someone
> possibly smarter and more talented might end up a clerk at circle K.
> 
> It's my "hippie couch" where we sit and talk about questions like "Why are we
> here?' or "What is the meaning of life?".
> 
> Why did apple fall short with a better product while M$ rocketed with inferior
> products.  M$ office is the only product I think they got right (in my
> opinion).
> 
> The only thing I can come up with is Bill sold vaporware to IBM who had the
> clout to take a "toy" to the level of a business machine.
> 
> Before IBM the PC was a toy that might get you laughed at if used in corporate
> America.  After IBM the PC was a status symbol.
> 
> I don't know..... just my thoughts.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> sitkaa at email.arizona.edu wrote: The movie is not available on Google Video,
> but Netflix has it. We'll
> be getting
> it in about a week to see what the hullaballoo is all about.
> 
> Using lessons from B. Gates to make money seems abit, Idunno, uh, not quite
> right somehow...
> 
> Perhaps a better train of consideration is why has Microsoft done so well in
> developing its ubiquity, and conversely, why has Linux not developed ubiquity.
> 
> If you want to develop an OS, I would think that these questions should be
> always on the mind.
> 
> 
> Quoting Tim Ottinger :
> 
>> > I think the bill lesson is twofold:
>> > "sell things you don't have"
>> > and
>> > "rule the distribution channels with an iron fist"
>> >
>> > The rest, I think, was luck.  But those two things were clearly hard-core
>> > business practices.
>> >
>> > On 9/27/06, keith smith  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Ever watch "pirates of silicon valley"?  I've watched it maybe 4 or 5
>>> >> times.  Several months ago I watched it 3 times in 2 days.
>>> >>
>>> >> I do not know how accurate it is.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Gates.  How does one become the riches man in the world?
>>> >>
>>> >> I would suggest:
>>> >> - His father was lawyer : He saw things as legal not moral.
>>> >> - He grew up with a corporate mentality and emulated it.
>>> >> - Salesmanship.  He was corporate minded and forced the issue.
>>> >> - Tenacity :  I think he put in long hours and was willing to do what it
>>> >> took.
>>> >> - He was better at the Watergate thing than Nixon.
>>> >> - Was and is a slave driver.  However his slaves do get compensated well.
>>> >> - Was good at taking others ideas and making them his own.
>>> >> - most everything he did was backwardly compatible.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve Jobs while successfully was a hippie.
>>> >> - He was a slave driver and probably still is.
>>> >> - He was a little bazaar in how he pitted one group against another.
>>> >> - I'm not sure he even knew about protecting his trade secrets.
>>> >> - Far Superior superior product.
>>> >> - At 3 or more points his product was not backwardly compatible.
>>> >> - Failed to align himself with a big conservative company.
>>> >> - While Superior his company is a distant 2nd at best.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now here is the million dollar question :
>>> >>
>>> >> What can I learn from this that will make me a better businessman
>>> >> today?  (Make more Money ETC)
>>> >>
>>> >> Keith
>>> >>
>>> >> PS : I'm going to post this to several lists so you might see it
>>> somewhere
>>> >> else.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> sitkaa at email.arizona.edu wrote: Whether or not the angry wildcat is
>>> >> piloting the hovercraft matters far less
>>> >> than the its crafty feral ways. A wildcat needs no hovercraft to be
>>> >> crazed,
>>> >> setting off a storm of excitement, rather than letting sleeping dogs lie
>>> >> (and
>>> >> lie, and lie, and lie). The hovercraft is only useful in destroying
>>> >> infrastructure, about which any wildcat would care less. This cat is just
>>> >> pissed.
>>> >>
>>> >> As I sat in class tonight, supposedly learning, and attempting to take
>>> >> notes on
>>> >> my Microsoft based laptop, I just got angrier and angrier at Bill
>>> >> Gates, not to
>>> >> mention the people behind him. Not only does he enforce a monopoly at
>>> >> every
>>> >> chance, buy politicians like all the major corporate elite, and quash
>>> >> innovative ideas lest they compete, not only that but his programs just
>>> >> suck.
>>> >> They are expensive, don't work right, are loaded with bugs, spyware,
>>> >> backdoors,
>>> >> and they just suck.
>>> >>
>>> >> I just wish everyone used a Unix based system so I could too. Yes, thank
>>> >> goodness for Bill Gates, the man who most exemplifies this century of
>>> >> unchecked
>>> >> competitive greed.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Quoting "Bowie J. Poag" :
>>> >>
>>>> >> > You know, i'm not sure. Feral or not, they're still a formidable
>>>> threat.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I would imagine that any bobcat behind the wheel/stick/yoke of a
>>>> >> > hovercraft is either angry, or frightened. The way I picture it, the
>>>> >> > "angry" version sort of knows in a weird non-human but feline way that
>>>> >> > what it's doing amounts to an act of agression, and as such, is
>>>> capable
>>>> >> > of guiding or controlling the hovercraft albeit in a haphazard manner,
>>>> >> > guiding it toward it's target--my home.. You know, bouncing off of
>>>> trees
>>>> >> > and stuff, hissing and meowing, but still capable of minimal control.
In
>>>> >> > the other version, the bobcat is totally freaked out since it's
>>>> totally
>>>> >> > out of it's element. To a bobcat, there's nothing natural about a
>>>> >> > neighborhood, or homes, a hovercraft, or controls..So, it's just
>>>> >> > flailing around on the controls, hissing, meowing, and randomly
>>>> hitting
>>>> >> > things and turning in different directions..including toward my house,
>>>> >> > up onto my lawn and hitting my house.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I think we have stumbled upon one of the most frightening "feral >>>>
animal
>>>> >> > + special-purpose vehicle" scenarios we are likely to ever encounter.
>>>> >> > I've thought about it....Bear + Blimp, Walrus + Ornithopter, even >>>>
Bruin
>>>> >> > + Space Shuttle.....but nothing terrifies me more than Bobcat +
>>>> >> > Hovercraft. Nothing.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Have the FreeBSD folks ever had to deal with this scenario? :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Cheers,
>>>> >> > Bowie
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > John Gruenenfelder wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Are bobcats still considered feral when piloting hovercraft?  That
>>>>> >> >> would seem
>>>>> >> >> to indicate a certain amount of domestication.  When you help them,
>>> >> that
>>>>> >> >> doesn't involve vehicle training, right?
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> (Not to belittle you very good point, it's just that, well, bobcats
+
>>>>> >> >> hovercraft = funny)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
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