[Tfug] Re: tfug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 22
David Lee
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Mon Feb 27 15:42:07 MST 2006
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: ssh doesn't start (Bowie J. Poag)
> 2. Re: ssh doesn't start - Solved (Paul Scott)
> 3. Re: Mind taking a poll? (Neil Short)
> 4. Re: Mind taking a poll? (Jim Secan)
> 5. Re: ssh doesn't start - Solved (Bexley Hall)
> 6. Re: Mind taking a poll? (Bexley Hall)
> 7. Re: Laser Printers (felipon)
> 8. Re: Laser Printers (Christopher Robbins)
> 9. Re: Mind taking a poll? (Adrian)
> 10. Re: Laser Printers (Dennis McCormick)
> 11. Re: Laser Printers (Paul Scott)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:45:58 -0700
> From: "Bowie J. Poag" <bpoag at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] ssh doesn't start
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <4402A026.1040207 at comcast.net>
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> Is this a new machine, or new install of openssh?
>
> I've seen this on occasion where I work..The daemon will launch, and
> more or less immediately exit if you don't have host keys generated for
> it to work with. Basically, you've launched it, and it says "uhh... hmm,
> no keys. Okay, nothing I can really do here. Seeya.", and exits cleanly
> without throwing any errors.
>
> What do the logs say?
>
>
> Paul Scott wrote:
>
>
>> I have several machines on a LAN on which ssh works fine. One machine
>> doesn't have sshd running. When I do:
>> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start (or restart)
>> I get the correct message about sshd starting or restarting but 'ps ax'
>> does not show sshd running and, of course, I can't ssh to that machine.
>> There also is no /var/fun/sshd.pid .
>>
>> TIA for ideas,
>>
>> Paul Scott
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:15:11 -0700
> From: Paul Scott <waterhorse at ultrasw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] ssh doesn't start - Solved
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <4402C31F.8030908 at ultrasw.com>
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> Paul Scott wrote:
>
>
>> Bexley Hall wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have several machines on a LAN on which ssh works
>>>> fine. One machine
>>>> doesn't have sshd running. When I do:
>>>> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start (or restart)
>>>> I get the correct message about sshd starting or
>>>> restarting but 'ps ax'
>>>> does not show sshd running and, of course, I can't
>>>> ssh to that machine.
>>>> There also is no /var/fun/sshd.pid .
>>>>
>>>> TIA for ideas,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Checked log files?
>>>
>> doh!!
>>
>> I see 'ssh/udp: bind: address already in use'
>>
>> netstat -a -p suggests it is being run by inetd.
>>
>
> Indeed! Removing ssh control from inetd solved the problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:17:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Neil Short <neshort at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Mind taking a poll?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <20060227121718.39251.qmail at web30712.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> --- Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> (as amazing as it may seem, there are those of us
>> who don't run Lin*x! :> )
>>
>>
> ...
> Have we had a recent poll of what free unices people
> in this group use?
>
> ======
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:59:14 -0700
> From: Jim Secan <jim at nwra.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Mind taking a poll?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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> At 09:35 PM 2/25/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> More to the point though - I think intermediate would be someone who can
>> install and use Linux, install new packages, etc.
>>
>> Advanced would be someone who can do all the above but when they run in to
>> a problem be able to solve it without intervention. This could of course
>> be more finely tuned and decribed a little more in depth but you get the
>> point.
>>
>
> As with all categorizations, fitting real people into "intermediate" and
> "advanced" for something as complicated and broad as this poll is
> imperfect. As I said in my post, on some things I think I'm on the low
> side of advanced (I've been living with *nix systems for over 15 years) and
> on others (such as modifying the kernel to add a new capability) I'm very
> much the newbie.
>
> If this poll were split into a matrix rather than a vector it would make
> more sense - even a simple split into "user" and "administrator" with the
> four capabilities levels would perhaps be more useful. I'd probably put
> myself in advanced as a user and beginner/intermediate as administrator. I
> tend to focus on learning what I need in order to use the system to do my
> "real" job, and learn as little as I can get away with to administer it. A
> *nix hobbiest might be the other way 'round.
>
> Jim
> *---------------------*-------------------------------*
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:59:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] ssh doesn't start - Solved
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <20060227185926.17503.qmail at web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
> --- Paul Scott <waterhorse at ultrasw.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Paul Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Bexley Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>> Checked log files?
>>>>
>>> doh!!
>>> I see 'ssh/udp: bind: address already in use'
>>> netstat -a -p suggests it is being run by inetd.
>>>
>> Indeed! Removing ssh control from inetd solved the
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
> <grin> Disk space set aside for log files is usually
> a *big* win! :> I suspect "RTFL" is more imortant
> than "RTFM"!
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:04:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bexley Hall <bexley401 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Mind taking a poll?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
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>
> --- Jim Secan <jim at nwra.com> wrote:
>
>
>> At 09:35 PM 2/25/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>> More to the point though - I think intermediate
>>>
>> would be someone who can
>>
>>> install and use Linux, install new packages, etc.
>>>
>>> Advanced would be someone who can do all the above
>>> but when they run in to
>>> a problem be able to solve it without intervention.
>>>
>
> Advanced would be someone who can solve it WITHOUT
> GOOGLE! :>
>
>
>>> This could of course
>>> be more finely tuned and decribed a little more in
>>>
>> depth but you get the
>>
>>> point.
>>>
>> As with all categorizations, fitting real people
>> into "intermediate" and
>> "advanced" for something as complicated and broad as
>> this poll is
>> imperfect. As I said in my post, on some things I
>> think I'm on the low
>> side of advanced (I've been living with *nix systems
>> for over 15 years) and
>> on others (such as modifying the kernel to add a new
>> capability) I'm very much the newbie.
>>
>> If this poll were split into a matrix rather than a
>> vector it would make
>> more sense - even a simple split into "user" and
>> "administrator" with the
>> four capabilities levels would perhaps be more
>> useful. I'd probably put
>> myself in advanced as a user and
>> beginner/intermediate as administrator. I
>> tend to focus on learning what I need in order to
>> use the system to do my
>> "real" job, and learn as little as I can get away
>> with to administer it. A
>> *nix hobbiest might be the other way 'round.
>>
>
> Exactly. I'd add "Developer" since most admins
> just apply other people's patches (and rarely
> have submitted code patches of their own -- whether
> it is to the kernel or to userland tools)
>
> Though for a population as small as TFUG, getting
> this fine grained with a survey probably yields
> very little "signal" in a sh*tload of "noise"...
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:57:40 -0700
> From: felipon <pon.felipon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Laser Printers
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID:
> <b51c8aa50602271257m2a9ea390w69b57848f630897a at mail.gmail.com>
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> im from nogales, mexico, and im interested on a printer, where is world
> care, cand you send the address please? thank you
>
> On 2/25/06, Earl <earljviolet at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just at World Care and they had some Laser printers at good prices.
>> I paid $30 for a HP 4 Plus that works.
>>
>> Earl
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:15:00 -0700
> From: "Christopher Robbins" <robbinsc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Laser Printers
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID:
> <252d26630602271315i1033fde5i9414b8a72ba4328a at mail.gmail.com>
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> http://www.worldcare.org/
>
> *World Care*
> (520) 514-1588
> 320 S Wilmot Rd
> Tucson, AZ 85711
> And a horribly long link to Google Maps
>
> http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&hs=Nn9&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=world+care&near=Tucson,+AZ&sa=X&oi=locald&radius=0.0&latlng=32221667,-110925833,13771252429757853825
>
> -Chris
>
> On 2/27/06, felipon <pon.felipon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> im from nogales, mexico, and im interested on a printer, where is world
>> care, cand you send the address please? thank you
>>
>> On 2/25/06, Earl <earljviolet at juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was just at World Care and they had some Laser printers at good
>>>
>> prices.
>>
>>> I paid $30 for a HP 4 Plus that works.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> tfug at tfug.org
>>> http://www.tfug.org/mailman/listinfo/tfug
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>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:58:14 -0700
> From: Adrian <choprboy at dakotacom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Mind taking a poll?
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <200602271258.14735.choprboy at dakotacom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Monday 27 February 2006 12:04, Bexley Hall wrote:
>
>> --- Jim Secan <jim at nwra.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> At 09:35 PM 2/25/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> More to the point though - I think intermediate
>>>>
>>> would be someone who can
>>>
>>>> install and use Linux, install new packages, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Advanced would be someone who can do all the above
>>>> but when they run in to
>>>> a problem be able to solve it without intervention.
>>>>
>> Advanced would be someone who can solve it WITHOUT
>> GOOGLE! :>
>>
>
> I would have to disagree... We have already had the Google use fight here
> before (its in the archives somewhere) and the conclusion was that
> intermediate/advanced admins actively use Google to "solve" problems. The
> difference is that advanced admins use Google to confirm their suspicions as
> to the cause of a problem, to forego the slow detailed analysis of tangential
> interactions in lieu of the details already researched/posted by another, and
> to review the success of potential fixes. Advanced admins do not
> semi-randomly search Google to "tell them what is wrong".
>
> [snip]
>
>>> If this poll were split into a matrix rather than a
>>> vector it would make
>>> more sense - even a simple split into "user" and
>>> "administrator" with the
>>> four capabilities levels would perhaps be more
>>> useful. I'd probably put
>>> myself in advanced as a user and
>>> beginner/intermediate as administrator. I
>>> tend to focus on learning what I need in order to
>>> use the system to do my
>>> "real" job, and learn as little as I can get away
>>> with to administer it. A
>>> *nix hobbiest might be the other way 'round.
>>>
>> Exactly. I'd add "Developer" since most admins
>> just apply other people's patches (and rarely
>> have submitted code patches of their own -- whether
>> it is to the kernel or to userland tools)
>>
>> Though for a population as small as TFUG, getting
>> this fine grained with a survey probably yields
>> very little "signal" in a sh*tload of "noise"...
>>
>>
>
> I, for one, am always suprised by the depth of knowledge of the many TFUG
> lurkers that appear from time to time. Despite it's relatively small size,
> quotes from TFUG show up as a semi-authoritative source in a remarkably large
> number of topics (scary aint it?). It is true, a more representative survey
> would have to take into account not only a more subtle (and defined)
> experience level, but apply those experience levels over a wide range of
> subjects from hardware, software, programming, and networking perspectives.
> In addition, a substantial amount of the TFUG population would have to
> participate (~45 did so in this survey, the list contains several hundred
> subscribers though).
>
> Quite often I find, searching Google for some details on an esoteric piece of
> hardware or software, references to the TFUG archives and specific
> conversations that reveal conversations already hashed. On a number of
> occasions I have been personally emailed with follow-up questions on many
> month/year old TFUG topics, by people who found the content they were looking
> for. Some examples of this include: upgrading Qwest 67x DSL modem firmware
> from Linux, large USB flash drive storage/driver problems, distribution
> installation problems, Apache configuration, and the recent ActionTec IPv6
> DNS borking, amoung many others.
>
> Adrain
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:29:10 -0700
> From: "Dennis McCormick" <macsinitial65haus at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Laser Printers
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID:
> <1904a0c70602271329u2331cf31pa1ab6150f8a26890 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Actually World Care is at 3538 East Ellington Street on the southwest
> corner of Ellington and Palo Verde. This is not far from Alvernon and
> 29th Street.
>
> Dennis
>
> On 2/27/06, Christopher Robbins <robbinsc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.worldcare.org/
>>
>> *World Care*
>> (520) 514-1588
>> 320 S Wilmot Rd
>> Tucson, AZ 85711
>> And a horribly long link to Google Maps
>>
>> http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&hs=Nn9&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=world+care&near=Tucson,+AZ&sa=X&oi=locald&radius=0.0&latlng=32221667,-110925833,13771252429757853825
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> On 2/27/06, felipon <pon.felipon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> im from nogales, mexico, and im interested on a printer, where is world
>>> care, cand you send the address please? thank you
>>>
>>> On 2/25/06, Earl <earljviolet at juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was just at World Care and they had some Laser printers at good
>>>>
>>> prices.
>>>
>>>> I paid $30 for a HP 4 Plus that works.
>>>>
>>>> Earl
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> tfug mailing list
>>>> tfug at tfug.org
>>>> http://www.tfug.org/mailman/listinfo/tfug
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> tfug mailing list
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>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:32:59 -0700
> From: Paul Scott <waterhorse at ultrasw.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tfug] Laser Printers
> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
> Message-ID: <4403700B.40301 at ultrasw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Christopher Robbins wrote:
>
>
>> http://www.worldcare.org/
>>
>> *World Care* Remove me from your mailing list.
>>
>> (520) 514-1588
>> 320 S Wilmot Rd
>> Tucson, AZ 85711
>> And a horribly long link to Google Maps
>>
>>
>>
> They moved from there a few months ago 3538 East Ellington.
>
> http://www.worldcare.org/
>
> Paul Scott
>
>
>
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