[Tfug] /.: Red Hat Linux is ending

Fri Nov 7 22:36:29 MST 2003

Darrenn Jackson wrote:
> Craig,
>
> Exactly what I was thinking.  I run RH9 on my laptop at home, and
> quite frankly I am excited, not worried about moving over to Fedora
> when the time comes.
-snip-
> The free demo RHN account is really cool,

What's better is that up2date/apt with Fedora Core does not force you
through that silly registration process. No more limit of one box per
registration.

> but it does not
> automatically update non-essential stuff.  For example, I had to
> download and install the latest GAIM rpm on my own.  Meanwhile, Red
> Hat is switching it is focus to its enterprise offers, which of course
> requires a much different focus in the distro than the Red Hat Linux
> desktop.

Focus in the distro?

> I, for one, applaud what Red Hat is doing (although the move to
> Fedora maybe a pain in neck),

Don't understand how you figure the move may be a pain in the neck. From
what I have read, the upgrade path from RH to FC will be the same as going
from Red Hat X to Red Hat Y

> they have managed to both concentrate
> on kicking some serious propietary UNIX and M$ butt

One way the RH Enterprise model is good is when you have PHB management who
*prefers* to pay because of the comfort level afforded by being able to call
for support/pass blame when things go wrong. Because they have an SLA, they
feel like they have leverage when the finger pointing starts.

These are the kind of places that spend $ to get a consultant telling them
to standardize on Oracle. Then if you are Oracle, you want a platform for
which they back port fixes on old kernels/packages for five years.  That
makes the app vendor's life easier.

Seems like this combines all the "benefits" of proprietary commercial apps
with open source OS.

Johnny

> with it is higher
> end stuff, while supporting the community with a free home/hobbyist
> distro whose development and content are aligned much more with the
> philosophy of Debian.  My hat (excuse the pun) is off to them.  It is
> the same basic distro, but could keep RMS happy and provide you with
> the freshest stuff.  Long live Fedora!!!
>
> Darrenn
>
>
>> From: craig at daters.net
>> Reply-To: craig at daters.net, Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
>> To: Tucson Free Unix Group <tfug at tfug.org>
>> Subject: Re[2]: [Tfug] /.: Red Hat Linux is ending
>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 15:36:44 -0700
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> We run Red Hat at work. I'm not worried. I run Red Hat at home, I'm
>> not worried about that either, except that I may be looking at Gentoo
>> and maybe even the Linux From Scratch project. I want to build Linux
>> from the ground up. Certainly, I want a little more control of how
>> things are compiled, where they get put, etc. But I'll still be using
>> my Red Hat, and maybe Fedora too.
>>
>> The only thing that is changing, really, is their support. Once the
>> RH9 channel shuts down, I'll just have to patch everything myself is
>> all. Red Hat users had to do that before 'up2date' came about. And
>> for those with specific requirements...the default rpms that were
>> available weren't suitable anyway, and had to be tweaked before we
>> could use them, or we just downloaded and installed our own config.
>>
>> 'up2date' just let us rely on Red Hat to take the time to test and
>> secure things before we got our hands on 'it' so we wouldn't have to
>> take time out of our precious schedule to do it ourselves. But there
>> were sacrifices by doing it this way. Red Hat decided where to put
>> everything. Decided what distro of service we would use, etc. Oh we
>> got choices...sure, we got 1000's of rpms to decide from during
>> installation. Why else would the retail package of Red Hat Linux 9
>> Professional come with 9 CD's and a DVD? But Red Hat still determined
>> where everything went. I'm still figuring out how they have all of
>> Apache deployed on my server. I upgraded from 7.3, and oh what a
>> difference as far as what is where, etc. But I'm getting there. We
>> persevere as Linux users/admins. Thats the fun in using Linux right?
>>
>> What bothers me is that everyone on the RedHat RHN list suddenly is
>> crying that an 'era' is ending. Are they scared to look into Fedora
>> because it doesn't say 'Red Hat Linux'. Red Hat has stated that they
>> will continue to support this 'Project' as it is the test bed for
>> their Enterprise level product. They have more people working on
>> Fedora than there were working on Red Hat Linux, this is a good thing
>> folks. But because Fedora is their test bed, not everything at will
>> ultimately make it into Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because they are
>> developing a platform with less updates, while certainly
>> maintaining stability and security. Not every IT department has the
>> time to update their servers on a constant basis. Red Hat's service
>> is that they take the time to back port/patch everything so you don't
>> have to. Is there no value in this? Not for a home/hobbiest user
>> maybe. They have always maintained that for the user wanting to be
>> 'on the edge' of a developing technology. Certainly download the iso
>> and go! This is available still, only now it's called Fedora! But
>> for those users concerned with security and stability, they provide
>> the Enterprise level of Linux. And for the $ amount your comfortable
>> with, you can subscribe to their 'up2date' service as well as have
>> access to phone or web support.
>>
>> In my mind, the people who are all up in arms should just let it
>> happen, and move into Fedora. Updates will still be provided as
>> vulnerabilities are found. Download them and install them just like
>> you always have. You still want to be on the cutting edge of
>> technology anyway right? So why worry about RHEL, which will probably
>> be a couple kernel versions behind anyway?
>>
>> I probably opened myself up to a whole lot of jabs, but there is my
>> two cents anyway.
>>
>> Friday, November 7, 2003, 10:07:02 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ahh... Thank you.  I suspected something along those lines, but not
>> being a redhatter, I didn't have the motivation to look into it.
>> But it just makes sense that Redhat -> Fedora shouldn't be
>>> the end of the world for all "hat" people.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:   tfug-bounces at tfug.org on behalf of johngalt
>>> Sent:   Wed 11/5/2003 9:23 PM
>>> To:     Tucson Free Unix Group
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject:        Re: [Tfug] /.: Red Hat Linux is ending
>>> Dang! People are really overreacting to this. That Orbital Sander
>>> guy who posted this to /. was way too negative, err abrasive.
>>
>>> After looking past the FUD and whining, I think this is a good
>>> thing.
>>
>>> What this means to me:
>>> Old name: Red Hat
>>> New Name: Fedora Core - OMG!
>>> Old way for errata and security updates: up2date
>>> New way for errata and security updates: up2date, apt, yum
>>> Old lifecycle:12-24 months
>>> New Lifecycle: 6 months (read-new packages sooner)
>>
>>> Uh, what this guy said....
>>> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=84550&cid=7387059
>>
>>> Johnny
>>
>>
>>> Angus Scott-Fleming wrote:
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  craig (mailto:craig at daters.net)
>>  http://www.daters.net
>>
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